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Re: OhGizmo! » Archive » Airing Dirty Laundry: Engadget’s Exclusionist Tactics Are NOT An Isolated Incident

Rdizz — Fri, 26 May 2006 12:54:54 -0000

I know someone who writes for a Gawker blog and they have confirmed this very thing to me. That's how I even found out about it.Yet, Engadget will still deny it.

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Cube — Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:02:12 -0000

It's pretty obvious that Engadget is blacklisting all sites that could be a potential threat.

They know better than anyone that a new site can come from nowhere and become a high-traffic site. Isn't that how Engadget was born?

It is also true that Weblogs Inc is a linkfarm. It's not really illegal to do so, obviously, but that's the way it is.

If you don't like them, don't link to them, or do the same thing as they do: link some other obscure blog instead of linking to engadget.

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Vinny — Thu, 23 Mar 2006 09:57:34 -0000

Ignore me all you want. Probably 'cause I just proved you're full of crap. Calling me confrontational after the post you wrote here and the drama you keep dragging on is quite ironic.

Way to go, liar.

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dponce80 — Thu, 23 Mar 2006 01:00:27 -0000

Ellie, I believe I've gone as far as I'm willing to go publicly. To make the decision to air all this in front of people is not a small one, and you have to make decisions about how much information is enough, and how much is too much. While the extra info I have IS pertinent, what I have said so far should be sufficient.

In a way, I feel that my mentioning this "extra info" has been a mistake. People are pouncing on it, and blowing it out of proportion, as if I had some sort of smoking gun that I'm, for some devious reason, purposely hiding. It's nothing of the sort. If it was pivotal to the case, ugly as I feel it is, I would have mentioned it. It's just a few more little details that, when considered as part of a greater context, help paint a slightly clearer picture.

If you wish to know more, you may contact me directly, and we can discuss this privately. The email is always "editor" at this domain. Only know that I have every intention to keep what I tell you private.

And Vinny, when you learn to adopt a tone that isn't agressive and confrontational, maybe I'll pay attention to you. I "noticed" you in the digg comments just fine, I'm just choosing to ignore you.

Re: OhGizmo! » Archive » Airing Dirty Laundry: Engadget’s Exclusionist Tactics Are NOT An Isolated Incident

Vinny — Wed, 22 Mar 2006 23:28:15 -0000

Original post:

Of course, I don?t have any hard proof that this is happening. Only my impressions of what looks like a pattern.

Re: OhGizmo! » Archive » Airing Dirty Laundry: Engadget’s Exclusionist Tactics Are NOT An Isolated Incident

Ellie — Wed, 22 Mar 2006 17:23:34 -0000

David, if it's valid, completely legitimate and helps to further substantiate the claims presented you have the right to share it.

The tone of the conversation is subjective, besides don't fight your gut feeling. It's a reason that thing keeps wanting to come out. that's because it needs to be shared.

It may be ugly but from the way you describe it, it will probably make everyone see things clearly and more than likely will help us all.

Re: OhGizmo! » Archive » Airing Dirty Laundry: Engadget’s Exclusionist Tactics Are NOT An Isolated Incident

Ted — Wed, 22 Mar 2006 17:18:27 -0000

OK. Makes it hard to make a judgement though, so I will reserve until I hear more.

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david ponce — Wed, 22 Mar 2006 15:45:08 -0000

Ted, Engadget doesn't benefit by not linking to us. Without getting into details, there's more to this than simple economics and logic. Sadly, blogs are written by people, and sometimes people have human emotions, and sometimes these emotions can get in the way of rational decisions. I'm not saying that's the case here. I can't really say that's the case here, for the simple reason that's it's so easy to refute. But as I've mentioned elsewhere, there are details to this story that I'd rather not divulge in public, for the sake of keeping the tone of the conversation civil.

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Ted — Wed, 22 Mar 2006 13:55:04 -0000

I'm not sure if I buy it (although I do think Enadget, like lots of blogs, leeches other people's content like crazy), unless someone can give me a motive for maintaining a blacklist. Obviously Engadget links to some sites-- so why not others? Perhaps it has to do more with design, the amount of ads on a page?

I'm just trying to figure out, how does it benefit Engadget not to link to you?

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Chet — Wed, 22 Mar 2006 13:02:11 -0000

This is why I often check all the blogs. In fact, OhGizmo usually has whacky, off-beat stuff that Engadget and Gizmodo never pick up, or do so days late. Also, I think that OhGizmo is the blog that pointed me to Trendir a few times.

Re: OhGizmo! » Archive » Airing Dirty Laundry: Engadget’s Exclusionist Tactics Are NOT An Isolated Incident

Ellie — Wed, 22 Mar 2006 12:51:49 -0000

None of this would be an issue if people used trackbacks whenever they posted articles, the source would be notified. Somewhere along the long the source has to be shown and when it doesnt post dates will reveal.

Engadget does not use trackbacks, therefore it is not a blog. They try to fool you by having a link entitled linking blogs when it's just a technorati search.

The answer is simple demand for engadget to use trackbacks, ping their sources AND post the link to the source.
It's simple etiquette ALL "real" blogs should follow

Re: OhGizmo! » Archive » Airing Dirty Laundry: Engadget’s Exclusionist Tactics Are NOT An Isolated Incident

Jordan — Wed, 22 Mar 2006 11:18:18 -0000

AJ said "So I guess it's either intentional or incompetence", this is completely true, there is really no other alternative. I personally would not want to have people with either of those traits submitting news, or editing news from a site I visit regularly.

Think about it like a book (books and blogs/news blogs are both forms of writing after all), a book by an incompetent writer is not usually a good book, otherwise you would call the writer very competent indeed. And forging where the stories come from? Anyone ever been to univeristy? Please, tell the people what happens if you're caught for plagarism.

Neither is good, and they have to be one or the other...

Re: OhGizmo! » Archive » Airing Dirty Laundry: Engadget’s Exclusionist Tactics Are NOT An Isolated Incident

Bryan — Wed, 22 Mar 2006 10:48:11 -0000

I am a casual tech blog reader, and care more about the articles than their sources. I believe I found OhGizmo from a Gizmodo or Engadget article about a blog awards vote. I looked through the other blogs up for the competition and quickly bookmarked your site. You fill a unique niche in this blog crazed tech world, and I thank you for it. Keep up the good work. Your site deserves to be compared to theirs. I will continue to read both.

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LD — Wed, 22 Mar 2006 10:26:32 -0000

Victor, personally I am willing to accept that Engadget screws up. But if that's the case then they certainly screw up a lot and quite often in regards to the same sites. So I guess it's either intentional or incompetence.

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AJ — Wed, 22 Mar 2006 09:04:56 -0000

I'm glad you finally wrote something about this engadget business, it's been going on for far to long, I have no doubt that there is some sort of blacklist of sites they refuse to link to. I remember last year how Rojas wrote me a letter accusing me of ripping them off (which was totally bogus, I had found the story somewhere else) anyways the hypocrisy is hilarious.
Kudos to David

Re: OhGizmo! » Archive » Airing Dirty Laundry: Engadget’s Exclusionist Tactics Are NOT An Isolated Incident

DY — Wed, 22 Mar 2006 00:33:45 -0000

Being a editor myself of a small but reputed site, I m ust agree 100% with what you have posted. We have also seen in the past Engadget do the same thing to us. We also got the same email about the tips form...was rude as well. Not using the tip is one thing but crediting someone else (they use other sites) yup happened to us too is simply backstabbing. Perhaps they think they are like Google, big enough to maintain a "black list" ?

Re: OhGizmo! » Archive » Airing Dirty Laundry: Engadget’s Exclusionist Tactics Are NOT An Isolated Incident

Master yoda — Tue, 21 Mar 2006 23:56:20 -0000

Engadget does not link to any Gawker Media site.

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Matt — Tue, 21 Mar 2006 23:13:29 -0000

WALL OF TEXT'd

How come engadget has NEVER posted a gizmodo link?

Re: OhGizmo! » Archive » Airing Dirty Laundry: Engadget’s Exclusionist Tactics Are NOT An Isolated Incident

Victor Agreda, Jr. — Tue, 21 Mar 2006 21:53:56 -0000

Well this is mighty interesting. I started reading Engadget 2 years ago. Yep, right from the beginning. Unfortunately, since I started blogging for Weblogsinc, I haven't had much time to read it anymore...
But I have to say a few things, of course, in defense. Now I have never met Ryan, Peter, Marc, etc. I have spoken at length with a few Weblogsinc people, and every single one of them was above board. Weblogsinc has been the best company I've ever had the honor of working with, and I'd wager any blogger currently working with them will tell you the same-- from the published authors to the stay-at-home moms.

I can tell you from my personal experience that sometimes, in the fog of blogging, the source of sources will pass us by. I've been burned by tips that seemed to link to the origin, but just linked to their blog, trying to get hits.

Do we link to each other? Yes, it'd be stupid not to. But do that too much and we lose Google juice, because they can just say we're a link farm.

Keep this in mind: there is no Big Brother when it comes to Weblogsinc. Calacanis gives us nothing but "be true, be real" all the time. Seriously, the guy does give a damn about credibility. I don't know what's been going on with your particular situation, except that I'd bet between the volume of posts and bloggers running around (and no real central authority, as is our nature), the links have slipped through the cracks.

This could be a matter of perspective. Or it *could* be a massive conspiracy. I'm not sure to what end, as it would be detrimental to our blogs overall to treat any level blog this way...

So I apply the Judge Judy rule, if it doesn't make sense, it probably isn't true. What's more likely, that GW Bush arranged for the Taliban to fly planes into the towers (yet he's an idiot anyway???), or that some nutcases decided to go nuts? Is Engadget involved in a cover-up program of blogging billions proportions, or are they humans, prone to screwing up on an individual basis? I'll let everyone else be the judge.

I read your blog though... once in a while...

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Matt — Tue, 21 Mar 2006 21:48:18 -0000

I think Engadget only wants to credit the sites they don't feel threatened by, and I think it's now that strategy is going to backfire since this news came out.

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JIm — Tue, 21 Mar 2006 21:15:45 -0000

Oh, stop whining. If most of you think you can do a better job than Engadget then go ahead and do it. Bunch of whiners.

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JDC — Tue, 21 Mar 2006 19:54:41 -0000

Thanks for speaking up against the biggest and worst content rip off offenders:Engadget. I have seen my content sucked by Engadget on many occasions but then curiously the same posts appear days later on Engadget. Of course who do they credit? Another weblogsinc site or just a throw away "Thanks Mark" comment like they do. I will never link to Engadget. Never. I'd love to see bloggers everywhere start subscribing to this same theory. I link to the B-Z blogs not the A blogs. I especially won't link to a weblogsinc site. They're a bunch of incestual link whores.

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Trevor — Tue, 21 Mar 2006 18:48:07 -0000

You enforce it?s application. --> You enforce its application.

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Nate — Tue, 21 Mar 2006 15:28:44 -0000

What aisle is the grout on?