OhGizmo!: The iMPAMP, The World’s Smallest Tube Amp
SonicFlare
· 4 years ago
I do pretend to know a bit about audio (I run www.sonicflare.com, the audio gear blog) and the .75 to 1 watts of the iMPAMP isn't going to power your big JBLs sitting in your living room. Tubes, indeed, provide a much different sound than your regular solid state receiver (I won't say "better" for fear of rekindling the tube/solid holy war), but unless you have really tiny speakers or really unusual speakers (which are out there) the iMPAMP is just too weak for anything but headphone use.
I completely disagree. I use my iMP with both Monitor Audio Golds and JBL L100s, and I recently had Dan Wilson of Semisonic over (he just produced Mike Doughty's new album... we listened to old Beatles stuff on my ClearAudio turntable with my ClearAudio Basic phono pre, and it was so loud with my iMP driving the Monitor Audios that Dan moved back a few feet. One watt is amazingly loud... efficient speakers can easily achieve over 90 dB at 1 meter driven with the iMP. Pretend is a very good word to describe what you know about the iMP! LIsten to one some time, then judge. Otherwise, the best you can do is guess. No offense, but I'm an engineer, and I determine things empirically... not by guessing and assuming.
SonicFlare
· 4 years ago
You're right, I have never used the iMP and am only guessing - that's what bloggers do, we're not reviewers - that's why I didn't judge the sound. You are of the rarified group who owns expensive, efficient speakers and a damn fine turntable. But most people do not, that's why every single home theater receiver has well more than 1 watt per channel, usually 50-100. Hell, most computer speakers have 15 or so. Additionally, I don't know of any other amp that produces 1 watt. SET amps usually get 5 or more and how rare are those? Of the amps out there, the vast, vast majority are not micro powered and the vast, vast majority of speakers are simply not recommended for use with 1 watt - that's straight from their product literature, not personal guessing...that's why I said "unless you have...really unusual speakers." Unusual=efficient and 90dB isn't unusually efficient. Over 100dB is the range for tiny watts, as the manufacturers state. But if you had great results then you had great results...and if anyone was wondering about the tube cult and their die-hard fanatics, well, now you know. God bless em, but for everyone else, best check your speakers recommended amplification before dropping coin on 1 watt, that's all I'm saying.
dponce80
· 4 years ago
This is the best! People having heated arguments on my site! Keep it up guys! I love... , uh, music and such.
zachary vex
· 4 years ago
interesting spin on your previous post.
i don't own efficient speakers.
SonicFlare
· 4 years ago
LOL, glad I could help in the argument department! See, this is what high end audio is all about: to-the-death arguments over completely subjective topics. Ah, my sad, sad life...
Funny me - last night, in my near comatose state, I didn't even notice it was Mr. Vex himself posting, which is just too cool. Audio engineer = engineer of iMP amp, now I get it...see, this is why I'm keeping the day job. As for your speakers, you're right, they aren't efficient (88dB-90dB). Recommending 1 watt for 88-90dB goes against every power recommendation I've ever seen, but, you're right, I'm a blogger and have never actually used your amp in the real world so the iMP could be special that way.
Naturally, if a review does come out on the iMP or you want to write an article about your amp and inefficient speakers, I'd be more than happy to post it on my site. Not that anyone reads my site, of course, but it's an interesting and controversial topic and stirring the audiophile bees nest is always fun.
texpat
· 3 years ago
Well, I have my Imp Amp s/n 16 sittin on top of a pair of old Technics SB-CR33s. These are old school looking big hi-fi speakers, but cheap (!) and they work great, plenty loud with the Imp Amp.
Oh, the efficiency of these speakers is specced at 90db.
I'm definitely enjoying it so far. I keep hearing stuff in records I haven't heard before which is pretty interesting, though to someone used to a pair of computer speakers, the sound is maybe a bit middly, kind of reminiscent of an extremely expensive Aiwa walkman I own. Starting to enjoy it though.
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If you want more dirt, I covered the iMP a while ago here:
http://www.sonicflare.com/archives/zvex-worlds-...
Additionally, I don't know of any other amp that produces 1 watt. SET amps usually get 5 or more and how rare are those? Of the amps out there, the vast, vast majority are not micro powered and the vast, vast majority of speakers are simply not recommended for use with 1 watt - that's straight from their product literature, not personal guessing...that's why I said "unless you have...really unusual speakers." Unusual=efficient and 90dB isn't unusually efficient. Over 100dB is the range for tiny watts, as the manufacturers state. But if you had great results then you had great results...and if anyone was wondering about the tube cult and their die-hard fanatics, well, now you know. God bless em, but for everyone else, best check your speakers recommended amplification before dropping coin on 1 watt, that's all I'm saying.
i don't own efficient speakers.
Funny me - last night, in my near comatose state, I didn't even notice it was Mr. Vex himself posting, which is just too cool. Audio engineer = engineer of iMP amp, now I get it...see, this is why I'm keeping the day job.
As for your speakers, you're right, they aren't efficient (88dB-90dB). Recommending 1 watt for 88-90dB goes against every power recommendation I've ever seen, but, you're right, I'm a blogger and have never actually used your amp in the real world so the iMP could be special that way.
Naturally, if a review does come out on the iMP or you want to write an article about your amp and inefficient speakers, I'd be more than happy to post it on my site. Not that anyone reads my site, of course, but it's an interesting and controversial topic and stirring the audiophile bees nest is always fun.
Oh, the efficiency of these speakers is specced at 90db.
I'm definitely enjoying it so far. I keep hearing stuff in records I haven't heard before which is pretty interesting, though to someone used to a pair of computer speakers, the sound is maybe a bit middly, kind of reminiscent of an extremely expensive Aiwa walkman I own. Starting to enjoy it though.